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Flag of Hate? by DarthRoden Flag of Hate? by DarthRoden
I Don't Know About You But I Am Sick And Tired Of Hearing People Complain That The Southern Cross Battle Flag (or Confederate battle flag, or Rebel flag) Is A Symbol Of Racism To African-Americans.
It Seems That Not All Black Men In The South Or The Rest Of America Share That Viewpoint, Even If It Seems That Most Do. Thankfully There Are More And More Individuals Disagreeing With Such Wrong-Thinking Monolithic Mindsets.

The Misuse Of This Flag By Racists Should Disgust Anyone Of Southern Descent Who Understands Its True History And Heritage.
Men And Boys Of All Races And Religions Served Under The Confederate Southern Cross, 260,000 Of Which Died In A Terrible War. Their Blood And Their Memories Are Woven Into The Fabric Of That Flag.
Those Who Advance Hateful Causes Taint The Memories Of Those Men And Corrupt What Most Southerners Today Consider The Living Symbol Of Southern Identity, An American Banner Second Only To That Of Flag Of The United States Of America.
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Gerbil-Powered-WiFi Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2016  Student Artist
Where can i buy this shirt?
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner 6 days ago
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Dixie Outfitters. They have all sorts of great ones for men, women and children.
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Gerbil-Powered-WiFi Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Student Artist
GOOD SHIT. THIS SOME GOOD SHIT RIGHT HERE
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BubblesBird Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm not a rightist, but I still believe that the Confederate flag should be allowed to be flown, and confederate monuments should be allowed to stay up. I'm a huge history nerd, and it saddens me to see history removed from existence.
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2016
Bless you BubblesBird.
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ghostraptor1917 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2016  New Deviant Hobbyist Digital Artist
I will buy that shirt
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happyhappyhappyjack Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Amen. This man knows what's right in the nation! We need more people like him, people who understand the history and the heritage behind the CSA flag.
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ImdaBatman Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
i'm fed up with people trying to sanitize history to fit their stupid PC views. people think it was as simple as "the big bad south were evil and racist so the north fought them for entirely selfless reasons!" The civil war was about economics, dammit!
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Fujin777 Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Seems legit.
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Level0Hero Featured By Owner Edited Nov 1, 2015
Not every first letter in a word has to be capitalized. But considering your comment for a month ago doesn't use this, I assume you learned your lesson in the past 5 years.
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AmericanNationalist Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2015
Hah, I love it!
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musicalfart Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2015  Student Writer
This flag should be respected, not hated or discriminated against. It is southern honor to own the flag, and it is not racist in any way. I had ancestor who fought on both sides. I'm not of southern descent, but I'm still honored to own, fly and obey the memories the flag holds. I wonder how many liberals (flag haters, Obama lovers) this comment will piss off. The higher the number, the happier I am.
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1stProfessorWho Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Only, this flag never flew over the states of the CSA, which conceivably could make it a symbol of the South.  This flag was the symbol of one regiment, and would very likely not be recognized by most of the people who fought in the Civil War as their flag.  When the "battle flag" actually became popular was in and around the 1950s.  It was flown by many southern state governments, who wished to let it be known that they would defy Federal law, in order to ensure that NO LAWS REQUIRING INTEGRATION would ever be allowed there.  This flag is therefore BY NECESSITY about denying minorities their civil rights.  Sadly, people who genuinely want to celebrate southern pride, have many other flags that current opponents would probably be able to accept (the South Carolina Sovereignty Flag comes to mind).  But rather, they have been fighting for a flag that racist governments, the KKK, and white supremacists, all agree is ABOUT RACE.  A history lesson.
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OddGarfield Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2015  Student Interface Designer
Though this flag never flew over the South during the five years of the Civil War, the Southern Cross did. The symbolism means the same to those of us from the South.
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2015  Professional Photographer
Ayep
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2015
Well professor, I would hate to disagree with you but....no, actually I would not.
Your somewhat hastily (and I hate to say, poorly written) crash course in the history of that flag is widely wrong and has several very large factual holes in it.

(1) No obviously this flag did not fly over the CSA as a nation since it was a battle flag. Probably a good thing considering that had it been displaying it at public buildings even as part of war memorials and historical display might be misconstrued as enforcement of the Confederate government rather than simply the bravery of the soldiers who fought in the war.

(2) The flag was the symbol of far more than one regiment, my friend. Try hundreds of them. And it was far from the only pattern, but by far the best and most remembered pattern of the Army of Northern Virginia battle flag. As for not being recognized by those who carried it...well there are literally a couple hundred examples of the real flags in various museums and private collections that argue strongly against that point.

(3) The Southern Cross (battle flag) was very much popular well before the 1950s. Since the turn of the 20th Century the flag was displayed prominently with the US flag at various gatherings of the United Confederate Veterans, in parades and gatherings for events and holidays like R.E.  Lee's Birthday (Jan 19) and Confederate Memorial Day. Literally a hundred period photos of the time prove this. In addition there are various examples of US soldiers from the Southern States who served in WW2 who carried that flag with them overseas to fight the Nazis and Japanese Imperialists....in the 1940s, a full decade before the events you site as the time of popularity.

(4) While there is no way to deny your point about how some choose to interpret the flag as a tool to defy federal authority against integration, I would point out that it was but one POV and far from the most prominent one, even in those times. The flag was also prominently displayed for various other more benign uses, not the least of which included as a cultural symbol and in recognition of the Centennial of the War Between The States (American Civil War) 1961 - 1965. Your argument that the flag is about denying civil rights by necessity is therefore flawed.

(5) What makes you believe that those who honor Southern pride would want, or care to have, the acceptance of the flag's opponents? Trust me when I say that most people who honor that flag as a symbol of heritage and identity care nothing about the acceptance of people who view that flag as the property of white supremacists and actively mock anyone who disagrees with their wrong-thinking, reactionary viewpoint.

(6) To use the South Carolina Sovereignty Flag would likewise be misconstrued as an endorsement of the idea of secession from the United States. While there are admittedly some few people in the Southern heritage community who support that sort of idea, its far from a majority view. Most Southern heritage defenders are themselves US Veterans who honor the country they defended and whom their friends died to defend. The battle flag was born a military symbol and became a living Southern symbol through sacrifices during the WBTS and after it to present. We need only the Southern Cross as the flag of our heritage, heredity, identity as a distinct people and memorial for our honored Southern dead.

(7) The final and probably most telling point you made. To "agree" with how white supremacists view that flag is the same thing morally as to "agree" with and endorse HOW such people misuse it. To me, anyone who rejects the idea that the flag represents anything positive and that most Southern heritage organizations today speak out against hate and racism is no better morally than a backward racial supremacist themselves....and deserve the same amount of contempt as the latter as well.

Now to conclude YOUR history lesson "professor" keep in mind that in the last 25 years the current generation of Southern heritage defenders have been raised on the honorable notion of "Heritage Not Hate". These include a vast group of Southerners from all walks of life, and from all racial and ethnic backgrounds who have come to honor this flag and embrace it as their symbol of pride and identity. Who have actively stood against white supremacists and "politically correct" culture fascists for two decades and effectively reclaimed that flag from those who never had a right to it in the first place. And that number continues to grow. Trust me when I say that the pro-white supremacist view of that flag as a symbol of racial hate is far from accepted, and is slowly fading into the dust.

This concludes a REAL history lesson from a REAL Southern-born man and descendant of a proud Confederate soldier....or to use this generation's vernacular: "Yo ass just got skooled, homeboy!" Wink/Razz 
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Socklem Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2015
Beautiful words my friend.
If only more butthurt people knew a thing or two of the past then they'd know.
There's good and bad to both sides of things, people should really take a look to both prospectives.
It's pretty sad that people just look in the eyes of the victor.
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2015
Thank you for the kind words.
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Alice319 Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Well spoken.
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2015
Thank you.
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MikeBennett1980 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well said. If only more people would learn their history and stop taking things out of context!

Love the perspective! :D
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Nevermoremist Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2015
Isn't it ironic that the Confederate Flag is issued as a racism symbol when there were African Americans who voluntarily fought for the Confederacy. I've also seen writings where slaves were treated better in the South than they were in Northern states. Sadly history is written by the victor who twists the actual accounts to fit their needs while persecuting the survivors and the descendants of the survivors for telling their side of the story. It has happened again and again since time immemorial and will probably continue far into the future.
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2hot2cool Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2015  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I think some people are trying to erase our history, so we have nothing to unite behind. So when they decide to change it all.....we will not be united 'states'
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Nevermoremist Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2015
I agree historical revisionism is a serious problem. It brings to my mind "cultural cleansing" and "re-education" but what do I know I'm just a southern girl with no education higher that a high school diploma. Most people would just tell me to be quiet and let the people who know what they're talking about speak.
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Lilith-Winter Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2015
Well Said.  
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ss2007wow Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
Much respect
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015
Thanks for your post.
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Zentornos Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2015
I'm Sick And Tired Of Seeing People Who Type Like This, They Make Me Completely Skip Over What They Have To Say
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GourmetPrince Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
To leave one set of shackles only to feel the greater embrace of another, this is the way of the Union. Fought by those who would promise an illusory freeing only if it meant immediate convenience to their order. The Southern Cross of the rebellion carries the principles that can bring hope of a freedom with permanence. Choose carefully.
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OddGarfield Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2015  Student Interface Designer
This photograph speaks to me, it says that there is hope in the African American community to understand that the Confederate States were established for more then just hateful racism towards their own, but to rebel against a controlling national government over the state governments. This man has my respect.
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2015
Well, I don't really have a political bend for how I see the flag today, nor care for the former Confederate government and why they sought independence (not slavery though it was the match that set off the power keg). What I do have is a great respect for the men who fought under that flag in defense of their homes and native soil. For their courage, their sense of honor, their sacrifices. They showed the world that even outnumbered 3 - 1 and outweighed 10 - 1 it took four years to put them down when in reality they shouldn't have lasted three months. I also see the flag as a symbol of all Southerners by birthright, and that includes non-white Southerners too. Anyone who uses that flag for racial hatred today commits a hate crime not just against minorities, but all Southern-born people.
I thank you for your post OddGarfield.
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OddGarfield Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2015  Student Interface Designer
I respect your view on the Confederate battle flag and your views on the Confederacy, we're not all political I guess.

You are welcome for my post.
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2015
Eh, its not that I'm not politically conscious, I am, but I don't use that flag to protest anything the government does. Misuse of that flag caused too much damage to its rep. The guys who died under that flag's memories are tied to it. Waving it around for purposes that don't include Southern pride or respect for the dead denigrates them.

I respect your views too dude and thanks for sharing.
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OddGarfield Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2015  Student Interface Designer
I understand the reputation that that battle flag holds, I guess I should have said that I appoint my political views towards the original Confederate flags that represented the Confederate States as a whole like Stars N' Bars or the Stainless Banner. You speak promising words of teaching, keep it up!
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2015
Its all good, bro.
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OddGarfield Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2015  Student Interface Designer
I'm uploading some of the work that I've made for the Confederacy in the past to TheCivilWarSociety group.
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AmericanSFR Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2015
I'm strangely curious on how the Confederate flag is considered racist, but the Stars 'n Stripes is not.  Since both had slavery and the US had around 80 years of Slavery, and longer era of racism till the civil rights movement.  In the end neither are inherently racist.
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2015
The truth is no symbol is inherently racist. Racism is in the human heart, prejudice a dark part of human nature.
Anyone can display a flag and claim it for their own reasons, or say a religious symbol. Its how one treats their fellow man that matters.
Most people who display those flags would never use either to offend or insult another human being deliberately.
There is also preconceptions. If someone uses something in a negative way and that view is constantly reinforced it makes people see it as evil, unless they can be educated otherwise.
I don't believe that a vast majority of people actually believe either flag is evil or racist in and of themselves, though the ones that do are very vocal and very angry folks. Their anger is misdirected. Its not the flags that cause evil, its prejudice in the souls of individuals that cause bigotry.

In the case of the US flag, more people identify with looking for the best it symbolizes rather than the long list of negatives in its history. Ditto with the Confederate flag. Both have negative aspects in their histories that should not be forgotten, nor brushed aside....but neither should those negative outweigh the positives as long as good people cherish them properly.
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AmericanSFR Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2015
Very True and Admirable Paragraph, I appreciate it. :)
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gumballdudley Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2015
to them it was just another American flag.
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2015
To many of their descendants living today it still is. The US flag may be the flag of the country, but the battle flag and its starry cross is a hereditary symbol of Southern identity.
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gumballdudley Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2015
think about it they both have stars that means states and they have 3 colors
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2015
No better colors than Red, White, and Blue together.
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Growing5 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2015
I agree! Even though I do not like that flag I respect anyone's right to wear it. 
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2015
As do I.
I do like that flag, and respect the right of anyone to wear it honorably without fear of being labeled for doing so.
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VianTravis89 Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2015  Student Filmographer
The south will not rise again but neither is it going away. AMERICA!!!
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2015
The South is the best part of America. Without the South there is no America. ;)
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VianTravis89 Featured By Owner May 8, 2015  Student Filmographer
Agreed. Still won't rise again though.
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner May 9, 2015
Doesn't need to, it's already God's Country now.
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