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Flag of Hate? by DarthRoden Flag of Hate? by DarthRoden
I Don't Know About You But I Am Sick And Tired Of Hearing People Complain That The Southern Cross Battle Flag (or Confederate battle flag, or Rebel flag) Is A Symbol Of Racism To African-Americans.
It Seems That Not All Black Men In The South Or The Rest Of America Share That Viewpoint, Even If It Seems That Most Do. Thankfully There Are More And More Individuals Disagreeing With Such Wrong-Thinking Monolithic Mindsets.

The Misuse Of This Flag By Racists Should Disgust Anyone Of Southern Descent Who Understands Its True History And Heritage.
Men And Boys Of All Races And Religions Served Under The Confederate Southern Cross, 260,000 Of Which Died In A Terrible War. Their Blood And Their Memories Are Woven Into The Fabric Of That Flag.
Those Who Advance Hateful Causes Taint The Memories Of Those Men And Corrupt What Most Southerners Today Consider The Living Symbol Of Southern Identity, An American Banner Second Only To That Of Flag Of The United States Of America.
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:icondakinkypimpwolfie:
I'm gay and sport the rebel flag. Keep on keepin on!
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:iconthepastaalchemist:
Amin to that my friend!!!!
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:iconmskm2001:
I use to think that the Confederate was a symbol of hate and racism but I have been doing my homework and I found out that I was wrong.  As a white American and a Christian...I do believe that slavery and racism is wrong.  Yes...I know that Bible talks about slavery but it wasn't the same type of slavery that happened here in America.  I believe that everyone (male, female, black, white, etc) was created in the image of God.  I believe that Jesus died on the cross for both the white man and black man.  I believe that Jesus loves us no matter who we are.  Skin color doesn't matter to God.  He created us all!
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:icondarthroden:
We are in absolute agreement on that one.
As a Southerner I display that flag, but not because I want to offend anyone. I do it because I am proud to be from the American South and I'm proud to be a descendant of a Confederate soldier who died defending his home in war.
I hate the idea that people misuse that flag as a tool of racism and it hurts my soul every time I hear someone is offended by that. It disgusts me and anything I can do to advance the truth and change minds on that view of the Confederate flag and take away the power that racist people have with it I do happily. Nobody should be offended by the sight of that flag, nor made to feel ashamed of being born Southern or their ancestry.
Jesus loves all of us, especially Southern people, no matter what color we are.
God bless you and thanks for the favorite.
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:icondemondogmarine1960:
I WANT A SHIRT LIKE THAT!!  I live in Texas, that makes my a Confederate.   I NEVER HAVE SUPPORTED THE ISSUE OF SLAVERY!!!  I would have set all the slaves free if my family owned any in the Civil War.
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:icondarthroden:
I admire that and sympathize. My family was never a slaveholding family - for that matter only about one-in-ten or so Confederate soldiers were in fact slaveowners. Most were farmers, laborers, and general everyday working people who thought only of defending their own homes, not the property rights of rich plantation owners that most of them never had contact with or cared much for socially.

The flag is not racist, or rather its only as racist at the intention of the person displaying it wants it to be. In the hands of a decent person its simply a Southern symbol, and only one person in a few hundred actually use this flag wrongly as a tool of hatred. And respect for that flag is not simply always just white only as the photo demonstrates.

You can get a shirt like this or others from a online site called "Dixie Outfitters" they do mail orders and their rates are reasonable. I've gotten a few shirts from there myself and they have all sorts of great designs.
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:iconsupersonicman96:
Supersonicman96 Jan 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Shouldn't the view on a flag be based on opinion, not on the opinion of men of the past? I think of the flag as oppression, is that incorrect for me thinking that?
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:icondarthroden:
Well it depends.
I recently met a black girl about 19 or so who wore a camouflage jacket with a battle flag patch on the left arm. She told me that it was in honor of a boy she knew and loved who died from a brain tumor. The flag to him meant love of the South and his heritage, and to her it means something good because it meant something good to her friend.

I don't hate anyone who cannot look past the bad stuff, even if I cannot agree with their views.

There's really no right or wrong answer there, it depends on your experiences and views. I've seen the flag both used and misused for a variety of reasons, but I do not allow those who misused it to diminish the good things it means to me and millions of others across the world. If I gave up honoring it or standing up for it because of such misuse, then feel if I did so then I more or less surrender that flag to those who misuse it, worse that I give those same people my express approval to do so and hurt others with it. That's a personal decision, same as with the young woman I mentioned.
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Supersonicman96 Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
True.
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:iconvikinglord-norse:
     Thank you. While the Southern flag was subsequently used to persecute, this was done from 1865 to 1877 and the late 1950s to the early 1970s; yes, racism still does occur, but its not as intense as it was.  And to be blunt, in any multicultural society, it will occur in one form or another.

     Having said that, few people will credit Southern commanders for a more progressive viewpoint than people give credit for.  After the was Robert E Lee worshiped next to a black man in church.  During the war, General Patrick Cleburne and others wanted the plantation owners to relinquish slaves so that the CSA would survive. Fewer still knew Nathan Bedford Forrest left the klan because of their radical activities.  Scholars know that 60,000 to 90,000 blacks served the Confederate war effort in various capacities [which ironically was not recognized due to the racism of the time].  One black who served as a soldier was Charles F Lutz; he was captured twice in Virginia and paroled each time to return to the Army of Northern Virginia [to be more precise-the 8 Louisiana Volunteer Infantry].

     Heritage is always important.  While sometimes we are not proud of the acts of our ancestors, their combined deeds shaped the world we live in today, both for good and the ill.  Collectively, Americans celebrate the American Revolution [and to a lesser extent the War of 1812], settling westwards, the Guilded Age, World War II, the Civil Rights Movement, and more; unfortunately with the Confederate memorization issue (from the flag to the names of Southern leaders), I know people who want the symbols removed... as much as I want to say "Why is it alright for you to celebrate your heritage, but I'm not allowed to celebrate mine," I don't ask because I can't change the mind of someone who is passionate [and I respect freedom to speech].

     If my beloved flag and memorials are banned, where's the line? Does this mean that Civil War reenactments and encampments are barred? Will our statues be knocked down?  Will I be arrested for having a Confederate flag in my bedroom, or for wearing the same shirt that this kind fellow is wearing; now if one put that on someone else's property, especially if they were black, that being purposeful intimidation is a crime.  If I'm denied a first amendment right to speech celebrating heritage, can they also deny fifth amendment rights to liberty and life?  The Confederate flag means many things to many people.  I'm proud of my ancestry.  I'm also happy that this gentleman is kind enough to wear the flag as a means to remember our share history.  White or black, we are Southerners all.
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