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Flag of Hate? by DarthRoden Flag of Hate? by DarthRoden
I Don't Know About You But I Am Sick And Tired Of Hearing People Complain That The Southern Cross Battle Flag (or Confederate battle flag, or Rebel flag) Is A Symbol Of Racism To African-Americans.
It Seems That Not All Black Men In The South Or The Rest Of America Share That Viewpoint, Even If It Seems That Most Do. Thankfully There Are More And More Individuals Disagreeing With Such Wrong-Thinking Monolithic Mindsets.

The Misuse Of This Flag By Racists Should Disgust Anyone Of Southern Descent Who Understands Its True History And Heritage.
Men And Boys Of All Races And Religions Served Under The Confederate Southern Cross, 260,000 Of Which Died In A Terrible War. Their Blood And Their Memories Are Woven Into The Fabric Of That Flag.
Those Who Advance Hateful Causes Taint The Memories Of Those Men And Corrupt What Most Southerners Today Consider The Living Symbol Of Southern Identity, An American Banner Second Only To That Of Flag Of The United States Of America.
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:icondramaticllamas:
DramaticLlamas Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
its painful to read this not from your point of view because i couldn't give to shits about who thinks what about a flag- but its your atrocious grammar, it makes my uncomfortable To Read The Sentences With Every First Letter Of Every Word Capitalized.
Your shirt say if your offended by this you need a history lesson well bud, you need an English lesson, im not really a grammar nazi but this is a pet peeve of mine.
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:icondarthroden:
DarthRoden Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2016
Aww, you're breaking my heart little kid. You know how I deal with grammar nazis? I pat them on the head and say: "Their, They're, There." LMAO!
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:icondramaticllamas:
DramaticLlamas Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Jokes on you I don't give to flying shits in a bucket about the theres if anything you just proved your lack of education
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:icondarthroden:
DarthRoden Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2016
By your own admission you claim you do not care about the "theres" and are thus proud of your own ignorance. I pity you.
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:icondramaticllamas:
DramaticLlamas Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't care about the theres on the internet where 5 year olds lurk and don't know the difference beetween there they're and their but are smart enough Not To Do This- even if they don't spell the words correctly. I don't deserve your pity~ many other people do but thanks love~
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:icondarthroden:
DarthRoden Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2016
Yet you act like a 5 year old, and a somewhat incoherent one who fails to offer anything profound to an argument. And no you do not deserve my pity, though I offer it freely as a reasoned human being. :)
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:icondarthroden:
DarthRoden Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2016
Folks this is what happens when you are forced to engage intellectual posers. I apologize for subjecting y'all to this pointless banter.
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:icondarthroden:
DarthRoden Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2016
So....no response? No shock.
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Jax1776 Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
Makes perfect sense.
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OddGarfield Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2016  Student Interface Designer
League of the South Emote 
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:icongraeystone:
Graeystone Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2016
Without this flag there would never be The Dukes of Hazzard.
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:icondarthroden:
DarthRoden Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2016
Oh there would have been but the car would not have been the same and it would have been far less cool.
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:icongraeystone:
Graeystone Featured By Owner Edited Mar 26, 2016
Yeah but what would be the point? Sure the Dukes would have fought against 'The System'(Boss Hogg) but without the Flag to point out the parallel,(South= Dukes, North=Hogg), it wouldn't be unique enough.
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Doc-Skitz Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
A burning cross is a sign of racism. Does that mean all crosses and crucifixes should be banned?

I have said before, many times, hatred, bigotry, racism reside in the hearts of racists, not in inanimate objects. Those who see racism in the Battle Flag are the real racists.
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:icondarthroden:
DarthRoden Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2016
Exactly so. Well said sir!
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:icondoc-skitz:
Doc-Skitz Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The Solid South or Southern bloc, as a voting block, has turned decisively conservative. Tearing down the Battle Flag is an opening salvo in the left's attempts to destroy Southern culture, thereby making inroads into that voting bloc. It's all a scam perpetrated by leftist socialists.
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Gerbil-Powered-WiFi Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2016  Student Artist
Where can i buy this shirt?
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:icondarthroden:
DarthRoden Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2016
dixieoutfitters.com/pages/

Dixie Outfitters. They have all sorts of great ones for men, women and children.
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Gerbil-Powered-WiFi Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2016  Student Artist
GOOD SHIT. THIS SOME GOOD SHIT RIGHT HERE
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BubblesBird Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm not a rightist, but I still believe that the Confederate flag should be allowed to be flown, and confederate monuments should be allowed to stay up. I'm a huge history nerd, and it saddens me to see history removed from existence.
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:icondarthroden:
DarthRoden Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2016
Bless you BubblesBird.
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ghostraptor1917 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I will buy that shirt
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:iconhappyhappyhappyjack:
happyhappyhappyjack Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Amen. This man knows what's right in the nation! We need more people like him, people who understand the history and the heritage behind the CSA flag.
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ImdaBatman Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
i'm fed up with people trying to sanitize history to fit their stupid PC views. people think it was as simple as "the big bad south were evil and racist so the north fought them for entirely selfless reasons!" The civil war was about economics, dammit!
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Fujin777 Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Seems legit.
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Level0Hero Featured By Owner Edited Nov 1, 2015
Not every first letter in a word has to be capitalized. But considering your comment for a month ago doesn't use this, I assume you learned your lesson in the past 5 years.
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AmericanNationalist Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2015
Hah, I love it!
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musicalfart Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2015  Student Writer
This flag should be respected, not hated or discriminated against. It is southern honor to own the flag, and it is not racist in any way. I had ancestor who fought on both sides. I'm not of southern descent, but I'm still honored to own, fly and obey the memories the flag holds. I wonder how many liberals (flag haters, Obama lovers) this comment will piss off. The higher the number, the happier I am.
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1stProfessorWho Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Only, this flag never flew over the states of the CSA, which conceivably could make it a symbol of the South.  This flag was the symbol of one regiment, and would very likely not be recognized by most of the people who fought in the Civil War as their flag.  When the "battle flag" actually became popular was in and around the 1950s.  It was flown by many southern state governments, who wished to let it be known that they would defy Federal law, in order to ensure that NO LAWS REQUIRING INTEGRATION would ever be allowed there.  This flag is therefore BY NECESSITY about denying minorities their civil rights.  Sadly, people who genuinely want to celebrate southern pride, have many other flags that current opponents would probably be able to accept (the South Carolina Sovereignty Flag comes to mind).  But rather, they have been fighting for a flag that racist governments, the KKK, and white supremacists, all agree is ABOUT RACE.  A history lesson.
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:iconoddgarfield:
OddGarfield Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2015  Student Interface Designer
Though this flag never flew over the South during the five years of the Civil War, the Southern Cross did. The symbolism means the same to those of us from the South.
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2015  Professional Photographer
Ayep
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:icondarthroden:
DarthRoden Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2015
Well professor, I would hate to disagree with you but....no, actually I would not.
Your somewhat hastily (and I hate to say, poorly written) crash course in the history of that flag is widely wrong and has several very large factual holes in it.

(1) No obviously this flag did not fly over the CSA as a nation since it was a battle flag. Probably a good thing considering that had it been displaying it at public buildings even as part of war memorials and historical display might be misconstrued as enforcement of the Confederate government rather than simply the bravery of the soldiers who fought in the war.

(2) The flag was the symbol of far more than one regiment, my friend. Try hundreds of them. And it was far from the only pattern, but by far the best and most remembered pattern of the Army of Northern Virginia battle flag. As for not being recognized by those who carried it...well there are literally a couple hundred examples of the real flags in various museums and private collections that argue strongly against that point.

(3) The Southern Cross (battle flag) was very much popular well before the 1950s. Since the turn of the 20th Century the flag was displayed prominently with the US flag at various gatherings of the United Confederate Veterans, in parades and gatherings for events and holidays like R.E.  Lee's Birthday (Jan 19) and Confederate Memorial Day. Literally a hundred period photos of the time prove this. In addition there are various examples of US soldiers from the Southern States who served in WW2 who carried that flag with them overseas to fight the Nazis and Japanese Imperialists....in the 1940s, a full decade before the events you site as the time of popularity.

(4) While there is no way to deny your point about how some choose to interpret the flag as a tool to defy federal authority against integration, I would point out that it was but one POV and far from the most prominent one, even in those times. The flag was also prominently displayed for various other more benign uses, not the least of which included as a cultural symbol and in recognition of the Centennial of the War Between The States (American Civil War) 1961 - 1965. Your argument that the flag is about denying civil rights by necessity is therefore flawed.

(5) What makes you believe that those who honor Southern pride would want, or care to have, the acceptance of the flag's opponents? Trust me when I say that most people who honor that flag as a symbol of heritage and identity care nothing about the acceptance of people who view that flag as the property of white supremacists and actively mock anyone who disagrees with their wrong-thinking, reactionary viewpoint.

(6) To use the South Carolina Sovereignty Flag would likewise be misconstrued as an endorsement of the idea of secession from the United States. While there are admittedly some few people in the Southern heritage community who support that sort of idea, its far from a majority view. Most Southern heritage defenders are themselves US Veterans who honor the country they defended and whom their friends died to defend. The battle flag was born a military symbol and became a living Southern symbol through sacrifices during the WBTS and after it to present. We need only the Southern Cross as the flag of our heritage, heredity, identity as a distinct people and memorial for our honored Southern dead.

(7) The final and probably most telling point you made. To "agree" with how white supremacists view that flag is the same thing morally as to "agree" with and endorse HOW such people misuse it. To me, anyone who rejects the idea that the flag represents anything positive and that most Southern heritage organizations today speak out against hate and racism is no better morally than a backward racial supremacist themselves....and deserve the same amount of contempt as the latter as well.

Now to conclude YOUR history lesson "professor" keep in mind that in the last 25 years the current generation of Southern heritage defenders have been raised on the honorable notion of "Heritage Not Hate". These include a vast group of Southerners from all walks of life, and from all racial and ethnic backgrounds who have come to honor this flag and embrace it as their symbol of pride and identity. Who have actively stood against white supremacists and "politically correct" culture fascists for two decades and effectively reclaimed that flag from those who never had a right to it in the first place. And that number continues to grow. Trust me when I say that the pro-white supremacist view of that flag as a symbol of racial hate is far from accepted, and is slowly fading into the dust.

This concludes a REAL history lesson from a REAL Southern-born man and descendant of a proud Confederate soldier....or to use this generation's vernacular: "Yo ass just got skooled, homeboy!" Wink/Razz 
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1stProfessorWho Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sorry my initial post seemed poorly written, I though that I would take time away from being on death's doorstep, to politely inform you, in writing, how your post was viewed, before it was taken-down as hate-speech, or, as you clearly didn't understand how others saw the point that you were making, someone was moved to violence.  I guess its true though, try to help someone, and they're apt to "skool yo ass, homeboy".  (By the way, I'm white, almost forty, and live in the South.  I didn't make ugly assumptions about you, please return the favour.)  What you can-not seem to grasp, is that the "Southern Cross" Battle Flag was square.  On memorials: square.  As a symbol on other flags: square.  The flag as a rectangle appeared, at least most-prominently, in the 1950s.  Yes, it was only in one point-of-view that it was anti-integration in nature, but the politicians who began to fly it said that was THEIR point-of-view.  You can say that you don't see it as a racial symbol all you want; the problem is, the people who are most-often the victims of racial violence see it that way.  There are scores of flags you could fly to show your (deserved) Southern-pride.  However, there is NO WAY you can fly that flag without people fearing for their lives, if they enter your neighbourhood.  And face it, if I flew an ISIS Flag, but said that TO ME it was not a symbol of radical Islam, you would be right to have doubts about what I said.  Finally, if you do not want the acceptance of those who are legitimately frightened by your flying of a symbol which white-supremacists often fly as they commit violence against them, then you need to re-examine your values.  Not caring how one group feels about something, because your opinion is obviously superior - that IS a form of racism.
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2016
You know, you and I have more in common than you realize. You and I are both white (thou I don't define myself by any skin color), almost forty and live in the South.
I am aware that the Southern Cross battle flag ANV was indeed square. It is in fact the preferred banner than I display.
The difference between us I feel is that I choose not to simply accept the final judgement of that flag as a tool of horror. I and many others like me fight against hate, to educate people who were victims of hatred that the flag - in the hands of those who truly honor it - should not offend them. That flag will never fully become a symbol of hate so long as there are those honorable Confederate descendants willing to stand against ignorance. We will overcome, of that I have no doubt.
Today there are Southern-born people of all races and religious faiths who honor that flag. All people of Confederate descent and many of them quite honorable.
We will overcome white supremacist misuse of that flag, and we will overcome the sin of political correct fascism infesting this nation. God and time are on our side.

Finally sir, it is not that I do not care - far from it - I care. I care enough to tell someone when they are wrong that they are wrong. I don't indulge ignorance and pander to fear. I fight to overcome it, as any person of good conscience would. Failing to do that, to simply accept a wrong-thinking POV championed only by racist bigots....well, in my POV, that IS racism.

"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."  ~ Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Socklem Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2015
Beautiful words my friend.
If only more butthurt people knew a thing or two of the past then they'd know.
There's good and bad to both sides of things, people should really take a look to both prospectives.
It's pretty sad that people just look in the eyes of the victor.
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:icondarthroden:
DarthRoden Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2015
Thank you for the kind words.
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Alice319 Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Well spoken.
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2015
Thank you.
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MikeBennett1980 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well said. If only more people would learn their history and stop taking things out of context!

Love the perspective! :D
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Nevermoremist Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2015
Isn't it ironic that the Confederate Flag is issued as a racism symbol when there were African Americans who voluntarily fought for the Confederacy. I've also seen writings where slaves were treated better in the South than they were in Northern states. Sadly history is written by the victor who twists the actual accounts to fit their needs while persecuting the survivors and the descendants of the survivors for telling their side of the story. It has happened again and again since time immemorial and will probably continue far into the future.
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2hot2cool Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2015  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I think some people are trying to erase our history, so we have nothing to unite behind. So when they decide to change it all.....we will not be united 'states'
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Nevermoremist Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2015
I agree historical revisionism is a serious problem. It brings to my mind "cultural cleansing" and "re-education" but what do I know I'm just a southern girl with no education higher that a high school diploma. Most people would just tell me to be quiet and let the people who know what they're talking about speak.
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Lilith-Winter Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2015
Well Said.  
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ss2007wow Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
Much respect
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015
Thanks for your post.
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Zentornos Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2015
I'm Sick And Tired Of Seeing People Who Type Like This, They Make Me Completely Skip Over What They Have To Say
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GourmetPrince Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
To leave one set of shackles only to feel the greater embrace of another, this is the way of the Union. Fought by those who would promise an illusory freeing only if it meant immediate convenience to their order. The Southern Cross of the rebellion carries the principles that can bring hope of a freedom with permanence. Choose carefully.
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OddGarfield Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2015  Student Interface Designer
This photograph speaks to me, it says that there is hope in the African American community to understand that the Confederate States were established for more then just hateful racism towards their own, but to rebel against a controlling national government over the state governments. This man has my respect.
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DarthRoden Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2015
Well, I don't really have a political bend for how I see the flag today, nor care for the former Confederate government and why they sought independence (not slavery though it was the match that set off the power keg). What I do have is a great respect for the men who fought under that flag in defense of their homes and native soil. For their courage, their sense of honor, their sacrifices. They showed the world that even outnumbered 3 - 1 and outweighed 10 - 1 it took four years to put them down when in reality they shouldn't have lasted three months. I also see the flag as a symbol of all Southerners by birthright, and that includes non-white Southerners too. Anyone who uses that flag for racial hatred today commits a hate crime not just against minorities, but all Southern-born people.
I thank you for your post OddGarfield.
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